Friday, August 29, 2008

I have my 20 week ultra-sound on Tuesday, Sept. 2nd! This is the one that if we wanted to, we could find out what we're having. I don't think we're going to, though. I've always thought that I would rather be surprised when the baby is born... but the closer we're getting I'm kinda thinking maybe it would be easier to just know. I don't know... thoughts?

On a slightly separate note, for those of you who are keeping tabs, it has been almost 10 whole days since the last time I was actually sick. That's a new record and doubles the old record!! Wooohooo!!! (I've felt like I was going to be sick a few times since... but I haven't and it's still major progress!) Sorry to gross you out, but I'm really excited about it! =)

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Israel said...

Sharla I gotta be in the right mind frame to read a book like that. I'm actually pretty sick with the stomach flu etc. So I wouldn't be able to do it justice. I'm far too dizzy and headachey right now.

Sharla said...

Whatever, I've been wondering ever since I sent it to you ..."What was I thinking?" You already think I'm a moron, and this "book" isn't even a storybook, it's really just like captions for pictures I don't even have yet. It's a picture book for Miguel's age. It doesn't really even require what I'd call reading.
I'm gonna get shredded on here guys, and now he's just drawing it out to make it last longer

Sharla said...

(I wish I'd never mentioned how short he is.)

Unknown said...

If Terell "I do crunches in my driveway for the press" Owens can write a childrens book, 'Little T Learns to Share',* you should make the NYT bestseller list. Easy.


*This happened. For realz. You just can't make this stuff up.


Far as President Bush goes, I think he's made some big mistakes, but I don't think it was devious or intentional. Too, we haven't been hit again since 2001. He should get to take some of that credit - that doesn't happen by accident.

Israel said...

I wouldn't worry. You're only a moron when it comes to politics.

You could very well be a genius when it comes to children's books, decorating and any number of other things.

Who cares what I think anyway? It's not like I'm some sort of expert.

As a matter of fact I will admit that I am a complete moron when it comes to decorating, cooking and fashion.

Israel said...

Big mistakes? More like HUUGE Mistakes...

And I don't think he's devious (That's Cheney's Department.) I worked as a Journalist at two papers in Texas and I know a lot of people who have known George Bush since his father was president and have covered him for years in Texas.

The consensus is that he is a spoiled arrogant frat boy who isn't "the sharpest tool in the shed." He was spectacularly unqualified to be President and we have paid for that.

Intellectually he is half the man his father was and he's quite the religious hypocrite, but he isn't screwing up on purpose. he is very loyal to his cronies and he is loathe to replace them when they screw up, perhaps since he has screwed up so often himself. This has really hurt his administration and the country as a whole.

And as far as giving Bush credit for not being attacked, that just silly.

Makes just as much sense as giving Bill Clinton credit for the fact that 9-11 didn't happen on his watch and he gave us eight years of unprecedented prosperity and I know you wouldn't wanna do that.

Sharla said...

Thanks, Israel < tenatively > (he hasn't read it or reveiwed it yet)

Hey, sorry you're sick. Get feeling better :)

Actually, Paul-Michael, I expect to make the NYT best seller list. I think it should be Number 1! (I have read lots of kid's books)

Sharla said...

Israel, Here's the thing. I don't think President Bush THINKS he is a religous hypocrite. It is not like he's doing it on purpose. I think he is a very sincere man. It is possible you are completely right and he is in over his head, but I think he is trying his best. I think he is doing what he thinks is right. I know I am probably so naive on this, but he comes across as completely sincere and he is our president, it just seems like that should earn him some degree of respect.

Israel said...

Yes, Bush comes off like he's so sincere and religious, except when he's cursing like a drunken sailor and flipping off the camera.

See I have experience with hypocrites like this. I once had an uncle (who is probably somewhere really hot right now) who acted like the godliest person in church (or whenever it was convenient) but then would secretly talk to me about the filthiest things. (And I was just a kid.) He also threatened to shoot me with a gun.

That's what hypocrites are. People who are one way in private and a completely different way in public. and I am sorry, I cannot respect them, even if they are the president.

Israel said...

I don't think President Bush THINKS he is a religous hypocrite.

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I don't think President Bush THINKS, period...

The guy has the emotional and intellectual depth of a cockroach.

Jeshanah said...

Cochroaches are disgusting, and Bush is so cute! He even winks at the camera!! ;)

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Whatever Bush's motives, abilities or mistakes might be, it was all preordained by God. He is the One in control. He is the One on the throne. And I am so grateful that I don't have to live in today's world without that revelation.

Israel said...

That's a total cop out. Just to make you feel better about voting for the idiot.

You could say the same thing about Hitler and Stalin.

And you could say the same thing about the Republican Party's aspiring new Stalin, Palin the Queen of book banning...

From Time Magazine:

"...as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast."

Israel said...

1: Palin Tried to Ban Books From Local Library

Thanks to Bush, the Republican Party is not strongly associated with intellectualism. But Sarah Palin has apparently taken the conservative derision for book-learnin' to a whole new level: Time reports that as mayor of Wasilla, Palin asked the town librarian how to go about banning books from the local library. News reports from the time show that the librarian, who, strangely enough, was opposed to a tactic commonly employed by totalitarian regimes, had her job threatened for not giving her "full support" to the mayor.

The People for the American Way have issued a statement condemning Palin's actions and demanding an explanation from her:

People can disagree about a lot of things, but censorship is completely beyond the pale. Our democracy was founded on the belief that government shouldn't tell people what kinds of books to read or what kind of beliefs to hold. No one with that kind of history should be anywhere near the White House. Sarah Palin needs to clarify her stance on freedom of speech immediately, and John McCain needs to explain why he chose a running mate with so little regard for the Constitution.

So far the McCain campaign has been quiet about Palin's attempts to legislate what books people should be allowed to read.

Israel said...

You know what other right-wing politician liked to ban books?

Hitler!

Sharla said...

What books was she trying to ban? I am all for free speech, but I don't think anyone needs to be subjected to a crucifix covered in fecal matter in an art museum. There has got to be some standard of decency somewhere, or uncles lead by Satan can show little boys horrific things that leave scars their whole lives.

Israel said...

Don't know how accurate it is but here's an article linking Palin to William Branham.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/97939/weird_theology_in_wasilla%3A_a_look_inside_sarah_palin%27s_pentecostal_church/?page=1

Excerpt:

"The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God."

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Is this true?

And all this time I thought you guys were idiots and you guys are trying to take over the United States and the World.

No wonder you guys hate the constitution and the bill of rights.

If it's true, you guys are smarter and far more dangerous than I thought.

And here I was worried about separation of church and state cuz I thought organized religion was going to put us out of business, when the whole time you guys were plotting to put all other religions out of business by taking over the world.

Much respect!!

Sharla said...

Of course it's true. And you better mind your 'P's and 'q's buster!

Sharla said...

And, what this "you guys" stuff?? I thought you were us. You said something one time about "our" church, including yourself as part of it, I asked you about it and you said "our, as in Bro. Jeff's and Bro Ron Peterson's," still seeming to include yourself in the equation. You realise of course, there is not "membership" as such, nothing to join, but you can't quit either!

Unknown said...

Israel,

As a rule, before spreading lies started by the liberal blogosphere and their cronies at Time mag, check your facts.*

She didn't ban any books or even seek to ban them. The "source" for this stuff even provided a list of books she supposedly wanted banned...books that weren't even written at the time.

*These factcheck.org guys don't have an ax to grind. They criticized the (R) convention for lies and spin just as they did the (D)s.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

"Facts are stubborn things." -- John Adams

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

That's a total cop out. Just to make you feel better about voting for the idiot.

You could say the same thing about Hitler and Stalin.


It's not a cop out. It's the truth. God put Hitler and Stalin in power for a reason, just the same way he put Bill Clinton in power. Saying God is in control is not a cop out. It's an acknowledgment of his sovereignty.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Ok, I really, really want one of these!

BeccaHolsapple said...

Ok, am I crazy? But in all my years I have never heard of Joel's Army!!! Please tell me where I can find that in the message?!?

Well said, btw John!

Unknown said...

Racist. And don't try to deny it either by saying you have a black friend. That's like putting lipstick on a pig.

Israel said...

If god is in control, than why did Bro. Branham say politics are of the devil? Does that mean God and the Devil are the same entity or that God is controlling the devil? Since Republicans are the controlling party and most of you guys are Republicans doesn't that make you all devils?

It is a major cop-out. Because God made us free moral agents with the capacity to make our own decisions.

If you put Hitler in powerful you are responsible for it just as Hitler is responsible for his decisions.

If you aren't responsible for your own decisions then existence as a whole is meaningless. We might as well be out raping (and then forcing women to have our babies) pillaging and banning books. looks like thats where it might be leading anyway.

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And the list of books put out by someone was false.

But it is true that she wanted to ban books, she asked about how to ban them and that she retaliated against the librarian for opposing book banning.

The Republicans probably put out the fake list so they could confuse people like you and claim the whole thing was a lie.

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And Sharla by "you guys" I mean everyone in the Church that is in on the totalitarian conspiracy to control the world through politics. That does not include me because no one told me about the conspiracy.

And the church today (which seems to have become nothing but an extension of the Republican Party) bears little resemblance to the church I grew up in, so I'm not that sure what I am actually part of. Lots of things about it aren't that recognizable to me any more.

Israel said...

Even your "Fact Check source" admits that Palin inquired as to how books could be banned from the library.

It's like asking "how can I eviserate the first amendment?" and then claiming it was just a rhetorical question.

Or a wanna-be Hitler asking "How can I kill deprive Jews of their rights and kill them" and then later claiming it was just a rhetorical question.

I would have more respect for Palin if she just came out and explained why she believes that the government should ban books and why she thinks censorship is such a swell thing.

She's like Jeshanah with actual power. Scary!

Israel said...

*This happened. For realz. You just can't make this stuff up.

Israel said...

You guys fall for this tripe?

Of course the "lipstick on a pig" remark wasn't disgraceful when McCain used it in regards to Hilarry was it?

That's what I mean by hypocritical.

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I would have said "You can put lipstick on a wanna-be book-banning dictator (and possibly Nazi) pig and have you seen how much lipstick and makeup she puts on? It's revolting. She looks like Bozo the Clown only scary instead of funny. "

Unknown said...

I've listened to the audio. It's very obvious the way he pauses and from the crowd's reaction that the reference was to Sarah VP's pit bull joke. The crowd was even chanting "no more pit bull." They knew, at least, what he was implying.

About the books, your mischaracterization of the incident is laughable. And how exactly was the librarian punished? She didn't lose her job.


P.S.
On God's sovereignty...

THE.THIRD.EXODUS_ JEFF.IN V-2 N-21 SUNDAY_ 63-0630M
45 As it was in Germany, and--and up into Russia, and Italy, the people raised up Josephes, Hitler and Stalin, Mussolini, who hated the Jew. They had to go back to their homeland. God, You got ways of doing things, that we don't understand. And You pressed them. No home in Germany; everything taken away from them. Also, in Italy, Russia, no place to go. And they were sent back to their homeland, just to fulfill the Word.
46 Oh, the loving hand of God! How, sometimes, it looks cruel, the way that people suffer, but it, still, it's the tender hand of Jehovah, leading His little children. We thank You, Lord.

Israel said...

So I get it. You guys are trying to raise up your own dictator so that you can turn the USA into a theocracy like Iran, right?

I think the church needs to stay out of politics. It will only lead to the church sullying and prostituting itself in pursuit of power.

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But seriously, does anyone else believe in Separation of Church and State?

Anyone else see why it is an important American tenet?

I do.

Wasn't America formed, because it's forefathers were fleeing religious oppression?

I will never vote for a Reverend be he Democrat (Jessie Jackson) or Republican (Pat Robertson) if I want to live in a country headed by a spiritual leader I'll move to Iran.

And beware of people like Palin who claim that "God" is telling them to go to war in Iraq or "God" is telling them to do this or do that. It used to be that that patriotrism was the last refuge of a scoundrel and now it's appears to be religious patriotism. Next stop, fascism...

I have no problem with having a leader with religious convictions, but I do have big problems with leaders who try to force their convictions on everyone else.

Anybody else out there believe in Religious Freedom?

Israel said...

You don't have to fire a librarian to put political pressure on her, you just have to raise the threat of retaliation.

And it looks like that is what Palin did. She abused her position.

This is the exact same thing Palin did to the State Trooper who divorced her sister.

If she could have fired her/ him, I bet she would have. Instead she exerted political pressure to try to accomplish her inappropriate ends.

Israel said...

"God, You got ways of doing things, that we don't understand."
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Pay attention, because this here is key. it is only when people (like Palin and the Republican Party) start claiming to know the mind of God that we get into problems.

Israel said...

Palin called herself a Pitbull (with lipstick) first.

Pigs (with lipstick) are actually more intelligent than dogs, so shouldn't Palin be thanking Obama for the compliment?

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And don't tell me you have never heard the term "put lipstick on a pig" before. (that term has been used for ages as a synonym for dressing up bad ideas and trying to make things look better than they really are. Even by McCain.) But I guess I'm the only one erudite enough to know this huh?

This term has been used in exactly that way Waaaay before anyone had ever even heard of Palin.

Instead of trying to ban books, you Republicans really need to try read ing books once in a while.

It might keep you from getting so confuzzled about stuff.

Unknown said...

So I get it. You guys are trying to raise up your own dictator so that you can turn the USA into a theocracy like Iran, right?

That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard all year.

Israel said...

OK, then what you are trying to do is wash yourself of the responsibility for electing Bush by blaming it all on God.

Take your pick. Take responsibility for your own misguided actions. Don't blame God.

Israel said...

How is it ridiculous?

A Christian Theocracy. That's what you want right?

Israel said...

I don't want a theocracy. I don't want the country run by a church or by a Christian religious leader claiming to do God's will.

Do you?

I don't care if he is Muslim, Christian, Pagan or a Snake-worshipper, I don't want that. I want freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion.

Some of the most heinous crimes in history have been perpetrated by leaders claiming to do God's will.

Israel said...

Seriously, this "It's all God's will" fatalism is a cop-out that doesn't jibe with your Republican activism.

I'm just asking for a little intellectual consistency.

Cyndi said...

Judging by some of the comments left at this article that Israel linked to the blog, sounds like the liberals are afraid that someone might lay hands on them and they don't want those demons cast out! LOL...

Like the t-shirt, John! Let's start selling them.

And I voted for George Bush twice and I haven't blamed anything on God. I like George. He hasn't been perfect, but no one will be. And he isn't controlling this country by himself. Let's not forget that.

Israel said...

Cyndi says:

I like George. He's a good little monkey and always very curious.

So what if disaster follows in his wake and he ruins everything he touches?

I like George because he is Republican and because I voted for him.

Israel said...

I like the T-shirt too...

(It's funny cuz it's true!)

Unknown said...

I can't believe we are even having this argument. I know you are familiar with Bro. Branham's sermons.

En. Oh. No. We aren't interested in establishing a Christian theocracy.

A post-Tribulation reign by The Son of David does not compare to what you are implying in any way whatsoever.

Israel said...

I've already had my demon cast out by snoop and his handy-dandy lobotomizer.

It's called the demon "of having a brain."

Israel said...

Seriously, I think I am finally starting to catch on to you guys.

Jeshanah mentioned voting for a woman President just because she wanted to help bring about the end of the world.

I get it now. You are voting for Palin because you are trying to destroy America (and eventually the world) by using the Republican Party.

You Evangelical Republican Jihadists are actually the most un-American people out there because you cannot bring about the glorious end of the world without destroying America...

**stunned silence**

I have had my Paul-on-the-Road-to-Damascus epiphany.

You guys are all brilliant and everything you are doing makes sense now.

(It's absolutely amazing how you guys accuse the Democrats and Obama of being un-American and Anti-American when it's actually you guys that are trying to destroy everything America stands for.)

It is actually you guys, not just the terrorists who "hate freedom."

As a weasely lawyer, I am truly humbled by the depth of your deviousness...

Sharla said...

How do you know if the church is recognizalble? Do you ever GO to church? Do you ever listen to sermons? I know you listened to your brother Danny's a while back, you seemed to "recognize" that. In what way are we political activist??? Because we vote?





Are you crazy?

Israel said...

And C'mon your devotion for the Republicans is way past brother Branham.

You show me one sermon where he tells the members of his church to pull the lever for the Republican party like trained monkeys and to clap like trained seals for a woman who competes in beauty pageants, wears provocative clothing and slathers herself with more makeup than Marilyn Monroe.

Where did Brother Branham advocate anything of the sort?

Israel said...

Am I crazy?

I dunno, I just call it like I see it.

When I went to church in Ohio I saw a church that was in bed with the Republican party and I didn't like it (anymore than I would have liked it if they were in bed with the Democrats.)

When I went to church, pastors didn't endorse parties and candidates, they endorsed Jesus.

And yes you are political activists -- whether or not you realize it, you are participating in a movement that has clothed the Republican Vipers with the mantle of "Godliness."

And yes, you need to stop voting.

There I said it...

Israel said...

Wow!

I really am a voice crying out in the Wilderness...

Anybody wanna answer my question about the Separation of Church and State?

Anybody ever heard of the concept?

Anybody?

Unknown said...

Stop it. Just stop.

Israel said...

The Truth hurts doesn't it?

Israel said...

Stop it. Just stop.

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A plea for censorship?

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Seriously, isn't this a valid political discussion?

Doesn't it raise important issues and questions that should be answered?

Don't Tase me Bro! I'm just asking questions...

Unknown said...

Nothing you've said in the last dozen comments is the Truth nor even a distant approximation of It.
I'm done arguing over it.

Israel said...

What books was she trying to ban?

I DON'T KNOW, ASK HER. SHE NOW CLAIMS IT WAS A "RHETORICAL QUESTION." I DON'T THINK SHE EVEN KNOWS WHAT A "RHETORICAL" MEANS SINCE "how do I go about banning books?" IS NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

I am all for free speech,

NOT IF YOU SUPPORT BOOK BANNING

but I don't think anyone needs to be subjected to a crucifix covered in fecal matter in an art museum.

WHAT CRUCIFIX? WHAT FECAL MATTER? AT THE WASILLA LOCAL LIBRARY? WOW!

There has got to be some standard of decency somewhere, or uncles lead by Satan can show little boys horrific things that leave scars their whole lives

HE DIDN'T "SHOW ME" ANYTHING AND I'M NOT SCARRED. HE TOLD ME DIGUSTING THINGS BUT IN THE PROCESS
HE TAUGHT ME A VALUABLE LESSON BY TEACHING ME TO RECOGNIZE TRUE HYPOCRISY WHEN I SEE IT...

Israel said...

The truth?

Perhaps not.

Sometimes a little hyperbole is needed to make a valid point.

The fact is you need to be able to recognize a slippery slope before you fall all the way to the bottom of the pit.

I honesty believe that the single greatest threat to democracy and freedom comes from organized religion and its involvement in politics.

Brother Branham thought exactly the same thing.

Sharla said...

Israel,
All of our sermons on the net, available for you to watch at anytime. From the comfort of your own home you can monitor everything that we are feeding on. When you were here was 8 years ago, you heard one sermon, and after hearing it you were very complimentery about Brother Jeff and all the people you met. Do you remember the people you stayed with, the ones you went out to eat with, all of us at the rehearsal dinner and the wedding. At that time you were amazed how great we all were compared to what you had thought we would be. It seems 8 years later we have all turned into your worst nightmare from the time and have grown into complete monsters over the last 8 years.

Sharla said...

Where did Brother Branham advocate choosing canidates who vote in favor of partial birth abortion??

Why can you be such a political advocate for the left?? You even join marches and stuff. Why such a double standard?

Jeshanah said...

okay, I said I might vote for a woman about Hillary Clinton months ago, and I was completely kidding!

I think you need to take some flu medication, Israel, because you have clearly gone insane at this point. (Or did you overdose and that's where all this gibberish you are spouting is coming from?)

We will start taking your knowledge of what message preachers are talking about more seriously when it hasn't been 8 years since you've darkened the door of a message church....

Sharla said...

Israel, I am with Shan, I am pretty sure your fever must have spiked somehwere after nine-thirty last night and you've been delusional in all your comments since. Just when I thought your were rational and had actually came up with a good plan, the one where you laid out what should have been done after 911, it seemed to me to make more sense than anything I've been hearing from either party.
Then, you took a real turn for the worse last night and I no longer have any idea what you are talking about or why you seem to be yelling at me, (isn't that what caps mean?) or what on earth that Joel's army has to do with us or anyone else if there even is such a thing.
Are you actualy laughing as you type all this nonsense or are you as angry as you sound???

Israel said...

I have no problem with Brother Jeff and your Church. I don't think you guys are monsters.

But I do have a problem with Brother Jeff and the Church endorsing candidates in general and Bush in particular.

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And as far as me being a liberal, you guys are the ones that hung that label on me. I never said I was liberal. I have many views that real liberals disagree vehemently with.

"Liberal" is just a simplistic label that you guys put on people so that you don't have to think about the individual issues.

I've explained my stance on abortion. I think it is wrong (especially partial birth abortion) but I don't think that in 99.99 percent of the cases it is the government's decision to make.

I also don't believe that a fetus is a human being before the quickening. Brother Branham talked about this and the view you guys expouse (a fertilized egg is a human being) would make the quickening and a lot of the stuff Brother Branham talked about meaningless. Obama never "endorsed" partial birth abortion any more than I do. he just doesn't agree with the ridiculous notion that a fertilized egg is a human being and taking the "Morning After Pill" is tantamount to capital murder.

Also for the record, I know a lot of liberals and they are great people. They have big hearts. They care about people, about animals about the poor, about sick people, about old people, about children and about our country. I sincerely believe that if Jesus Christ were running for office today, you Republicans would be tarring and feathering him for being too "liberal." Jesus would try to heal the sick and feed the hungry and you would call him socialist and accuse him of practicing socialized medicine.

To tell you the truth, I'm actually not nice and soft-hearted enough to be a liberal, but I'm not empty-headed and hateful enough to be the kind of person that calls himself a conservative these days.

Conservative Republicans (not all of them) but a lot of the ones I know (and I know a lot of them ) are some of the most hateful people alive. The entire Republican platform is built on hate (hating Mexicans, hating gays, hating blacks, hating foreigners, hating pointy-headed intellectuals that read books, hating teh "cultural elite," etc.)

And the only living things Republicans claim to care about are stem cells and fetuses, once a baby is born (especially if that baby is brown) they could care less if it has food in it's belly or gets a decent education. Most Republicans care about taxes, guns and the unborn and that's about it.

That's why I could never be a Republican. They have been utterly corrupt and have helped their campaign contributors systematically rape our country and its resources (natural and human) for years. They have been scapegoating minorities for years. They have been spreading lies and ignorance for years.

And hateful people, ignorant people and well-meaning Christian people (like you guys) just keep eating that stuff up and regurgitating it year after year. You guys only think about one issue when the country is facing hundreds of issues that are very important. (I already told you guys about how I discovered first hand that the Republicans don't really care about changing the law regarding abortion and are just using it as a disgusting ploy to garner votes.) I sincerely believe that the alliance between the Church and Politics is dangerous. And that religious litmus tests that give us unqualified candidates like Palin are bad for out country.

So anyway, I'm really a Libertarian -- just like I was when I registered to vote at the age of 18. The Libertarians are the only ones out there who think the issues through instead of just pandering for votes and that's why they never get any votes. That's why I don't waste my vote and vote libertarian, because smart people who actually think about issues make up about .0001 percent of the American public and so a party that won't sell its principles to the highest bidder has absolutely no future in American politics.

So it's a question of finding the lesser of two evils. Not all Republicans are bad (I've voted for some of the good ones) and not all Liberals are good. But after looking at it as objectively as I can, I've determined that in the grand scheme of things the Republicans are much, much worse than the Democrats.

Hope that clears things up for you guys...

Israel said...

Nope, the caps aren't yelling, I only use them to make what I write easier to read when I'm answering your questions...

Israel said...

Are you actualy laughing as you type all this nonsense or are you as angry as you sound???

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I confess that a lot of the time I'm laughing, but sometimes I'm deadly serious. Let's see if you can figure out which is which...

Unknown said...

I'm sorry that you think of us like that, for the summary you give is very inacurate and misguided.
After several months corresponding with you here on Shan and John's blogs and these 600 comments, I have come to this conclusion. My skills must not sufficient to the task of accurately communicating what we believe on the issues and why. For that, I feel badly.

Israel said...

"I'm sorry you think of us like that."

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Nice try with the passive-aggressive guilt trip, Bub!

I'm married to a Chinese-American woman and I have a Chinese Mother-in-law. They both have fifth degree blackbelts in guilt-tripping. I've been guilt-tripped by the best, so your pathetic attempts didn't even come close to making a dent.

Where's the tough ol' PMB, I've grown to know and love? C'mon, put up yer dukes!!

Sharla said...

lol. Israel

Hate to break it to ya, but PMB just got outta church and my guess is he is completely sincere in his comment. I doubt very much he was trying to put a guilt trip on you in any way.
Many times after a great church service I feel convicted for even talking on this thing. My desire above all else is to have a good testimony, and sometimes knowing how easily things are mis-construed on here, I feel like I am doing more harm than good.
Of course, it is a great way to keep in touch with Shan, Zion and Becca and I usually enjoy hearing from you and it can be lots of fun.
I KNOW PMB, and I know his desire is the same as mine, as is John's and Snoopy's and probably all of us. But it's not fun when it gets ugly, we certainly don't intend to offend you. I mean this very sincerely. Those of us who know you love you very much and want the best for you and your family. I am guilty of so much goading and sarcasm, but I only meant it all in fun. Please do forgive me, I really am no doubt quite ignorant about politics, I hardly ever think about it except when we're talking with you. Our church does NOT tell us how to vote or hardly ever even talk about politics. I wish you'd check out the archives for yourself. BCFellowhiip.org

Sharla said...

BCFellowship.org

Sharla said...

Oh great. I just put the church web address in as the 666 comment. Great. You can really have a field day with that! ;)

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

But seriously, does anyone else believe in Separation of Church and State?

I do.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

This is the exact same thing Palin did to the State Trooper who divorced her sister.

Uh, you mean the same state trooper who beat her sister and threatened her life and that of her family? It was a little more than just a divorce.

Unknown said...

The one who was caught intoxicated while driving his state-issued squad car?

The same trooper that (just for fun, mind) used his state-issued taser on his 10 year old son?

Oh THAT trooper.

Israel said...

666?

Hee hee!

I was actually waiting to see who would make that post and I made sure it wasn't me.

But absolutely no need to apologize. Please don't. You won't hear me apologize and I have been twice as mean as anyone here. (I have to be the odds are against me.)

I enjoy bare-knuckled debate and I love the fact that it's all y'all against me. But I don't take any of it personally. And if you guys don't wanna play anymore it's fine by me.

I think the church (not just yours) but all the churches have become increasingly political over the years. As I see it, it's not a good idea to enter the debate unless you are willing to take as well as you give.

Politics is a dirty game (Especially the way the Republicans play it) and you can't expect to hit Obama below the belt and not expect to get smacked around a little.

If you want to be a proud Republican just know this, Republicans invented the art of making politics a cesspool and they have thrived on it.

I've been hearing Republicans (even you guys) repeat the Republican lies and smears over and over for years (Swift Boat veterans for Bush anyone?) and now when it's just getting fun, you wanna go soft and take the high road?

Bummer!

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Personally, it makes me sick when Republican operatives play all sorts of dirty tricks (play the race card, etc.) and then apologize later like Lee Atwater did. These apologies are worthless.

You can't have it both ways. You can't be a total scumbag who cares only about achieving power and then turn around and try to be a nice guy.

**


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Gravely Ill, Atwater Offers Apology


Published: January 13, 1991

In a detailed and candid article about his career and his fight against an inoperable brain tumor, Lee Atwater has apologized to Michael S. Dukakis for the "naked cruelty" of a remark he made about the Democratic Presidential nominee in the 1988 campaign.

The apology by Mr. Atwater, who is now in his last month as chairman of the Republican National Committee, is included in an article in the February issue of Life magazine, where he also starkly describes his often-desperate attempts to deal with his illness and his fear on some nights that if he falls asleep, "I will never wake up again."

As manager of Mr. Bush's campaign, Mr. Atwater succeeded in making the case of Willie Horton, a convicted murderer, an issue against Mr. Dukakis.

Mr. Horton, who is black, raped a white woman and stabbed her husband while on a weekend furlough from a Massachusetts prison. The Bush campaign used the case to portray Mr. Dukakis, then Governor of Massachusetts, as a liberal who was soft on crime.

"In 1988," Mr. Atwater said, "fighting Dukakis, I said that I 'would strip the bark off the little bastard' and 'make Willie Horton his running mate.' I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not."

(SO YOU'RE NOT A RACIST, YOU JUST EXPLOIT RACISM FOR POLITICAL GAIN, HUH? IT'S ALL GOOD THEN...)

Since being stricken last year, the 39-year-old Mr. Atwater has apologized on several occasions for many of the campaign tactics he once employed and for which he was criticized. But rarely has he spoken in such detail or with such candor as in the interview for the first-person Life article.

"In part because of our successful manipulation of his campaign themes, George Bush won handily," Mr. Atwater said. He conceded that throughout his political career "a reputation as a fierce and ugly campaigner has dogged me."

"While I didn't invent negative politics," he said, "I am one of its most ardent practitioners."

AMEN! YOU AND ALL THE OTHER REPUBLICANS (ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN CALIFORNIA.)

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And you guys wonder why I'm not a Republican?

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

I have no problem with Brother Jeff and your Church. I don't think you guys are monsters.

But I do have a problem with Brother Jeff and the Church endorsing candidates in general and Bush in particular.


Ok, I must have missed that one because in all the BCF services I've attended -- and I've attended A LOT more than you have -- have I ever heard Bro. Jeff or any of the ministers endorse a candidate or a party.

Quite the contrary (speaking of moments of clarity... I KNOW I've told you this before). Bro. Jeff was very critical of Bush's faith-based initiative plan that he pushed through in the early days of his presidency because it opened the door for the government to dictate what is and what is not a legitimate church.

I think that you would be surprised to find that many of us, myself included, believe in the separation of church and state. One need look no further than the Catholic church to see the dangers of removing that wall.

There is a difference, however, between desiring Christian leaders vs. desiring a Christian government, aka theocracy. I don't think there is anything wrong with a Christian president so long as he maintains that separation.

That said, religion is not the first thing I look for in a candidate. If so, I would have supported Mike Huckabee during the primaries. But I recognize that the mere fact that you are a Christian does not qualify you to be president. I know a lot of Christians that I wouldn't want anywhere near 1600 Penn.

So you can stop accusing me at least for supporting a candidate just because they are Christian.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Speaking of religious figures in politics, the Almighty Obama is reportedly trying to "ween himself off of teleprompters."

I didn't know this, but the guy has been using teleprompters IN TOWN HALL DISCUSSIONS with citizens!!! Are you kidding me? The guy doesn't know enough about what he's talking about that he has to use a teleprompter in a town hall?!?!

And Democrats have the audacity to call Bush stupid?!?!

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Wanna know the difference between Barack Obama and an empty suit?





Uh...





Ummm...





Hold on...








Sorry. I can't find one.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

He can't compete with McCain in the arena of ideas.

He can't compete with McCain in terms of experience.

He can't compete with McCain in terms of service to country.

He has admitted he was wrong about the surge.

His campaign is imploding around him and the Smartest Muy in the World (c) can't get the train back on the tracks.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

The Chosen One melting down after a teleprompter malfunction at a town hall.

The guy is incompetent and unfit to run a country. If this had been Bush in this clip, the Democrats would have eviscerated him. But the Messiah gets a pass. Talk about hypocrisy...

Israel said...

See I think what happened was that it was all well and good when we were just bashing liberals and career politicians and the like, but when Mrs. Palin entered the fray, it got a little too close for comfort.

See Palin is one of "us," a member of a non-denominational non-approved (strange to most) belief system.

I attacked her (no holds-barred) just the same way the Republicans attack Obama and all of a sudden you guys start getting your feelings hurt. I have nothing against her personally, I'm just following the Republican template for victory.

She's a huge target and the questions are legitimate given today's political climate. Republicans have made these things fair game when it comes to Obama and I exploited them for rhetorical purposes.

Now you guys know what it is like to be the minority (in this case religious) who is being attacked and who is being hit below the belt.

Doesn't feel good, does it?

Now maybe you have some idea of what it feels like to be a Mexican (an ethnic minority) who has been exploited and attacked for political gain by Republicans all these years.

Prop 187, 209 all these racially divisive initiatives were introduced by Republicans. They invented the politics of divide racially and conquer.

Now are you gaining some sort of understanding as to why I don't like the Republican Party?

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Barack Obamuh... uh... uh... uh...

Israel said...

But seriously, does anyone else believe in Separation of Church and State?

"I do."

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Ahhhh! Finally!!! Common ground...

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Now what do you think of Palin's Church? Doesn't it seem a little "weird" to you?

I'm only asking because you guys made such a big deal about Obama's pastor...

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

ROFLOL

Israel said...

Wow!

Obama said "uh" and stuttered a couple times?

Finally! Definitive proof that he is totally unqualified to be president!!

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

"Now what do you think of Palin's Church? Doesn't it seem a little "weird" to you?"

Don't know enough about it to express a qualified opinion. The only coverage I've seen of it has been from the far-left fringe bloggers who will say anything to stop the bleeding that is taking place in the Obama campaign. They're not exactly what I would consider a credible source.

Israel said...

Well I watched video of actual services and such and it seems a little weird to me.

You should check it out...

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If Barack were Republican he'd be saying "Duh" instead of "uh" and you'd be applauding instead of ROFLOL

Cyndi said...

Israel,

I think you need a HUG! Yes, a warm and fuzzy HUG! You sound lonely at the top.

Your epiphany came through on a distorted channel.

The reason that Bro. Branham said that politics are of the devil is because the greed and corruption in the name of power is wrong. That does not make all politicians evil, just like all attorneys are not evil and greedy.

The argument could be that all attorneys are trained monkeys. They follow the laws and argue to win regardless whether a person is guilty or innocent.

However, I know that some have integrity and some do not. People can't all be lumped into one category.

We have to have someone in control as our country's leader and my intentions are to assist putting the person who seems best able to lead our country in these dangerous times. Dangerous for a number of reasons.

I also judge a person by the way they live their life currently. I don't go back years and years to see if they might have made a mistake. Let the one among us who hasn't made a mistake cast the first stone.

And I look at their eyes. It is the window to their soul. It has never failed me yet in making an assessment of a person's integrity.

And while I have always voted for the more conservative of candidates, it has not been because they belong to that political party. No one has ever persuaded me to vote a certain way.

I am a very intelligent, extremely well-read, LADY (not an Evangelical Republican Jihadist)
who is capable of discerning a candidate's integrity.

And even though I have not admired or respected some of our Presidents morals - I have always RESPECTED them for the office they have held. Period. It is a thankless job and regardless if my values totally lined up with theirs - I always respect the office and their service to our country.

Might I suggest that you, as an American who enjoys many opportunities and freedoms - give that same respect to our President?

PS - George W. Bush, as well as his father, have kind eyes.

Cyndi said...

Israel said...The entire Republican platform is built on hate (hating Mexicans, hating gays, hating blacks, hating foreigners, hating pointy-headed intellectuals that read books, hating teh "cultural elite," etc.)

Where do you come up with this?? You can't label half of the country's population with this type of hate, no more than I would say this about the other half.

You are missing one important thing here - stating that you disagree with a value or moral or lifestyle, etc. does not mean that a person is filled with hate.

You are really big on referring to our Nation's Forefathers and the Constitution, etc. Which I totally respect.

Well, let's take it back to God's Word (after all He is the only real authority). So maybe talking about God's will, isn't all that crazy after all.

Israel said...

Nah I don't need a hug. I just pu my boys to bed and got a dozen hugs and a bunch of kisses to boot.

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Re:

"The argument could be that all attorneys are trained monkeys. They follow the laws and argue to win regardless whether a person is guilty or innocent."

THAT'S PRETTY ACCURATE. THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM IS SET UP.

RE: EYES

Kind eyes, huh? Maybe so, but they have cruel lips. Read their lips, cruel cruel cruel...

I got to start gazing deeply into more policians eyes.

and does McCain have kinder eyes than Obama?

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And I'm not judging Bush just by what he did in the past. Bush does the same things now. Sure he no longer snorts Coke and gets drunk, but other than that he hasn't changed a bit.

Believe it or not I desperately wanted Bush to succeed. I was rooting very hard for him to lead our country in the right direction. I want to respect the leader of our country. Irepected bith Reagan and Bush Sr. But in Bush's case I just can't.

Israel said...

I stand by that statement.

Republicans have been and continue to be all about the politics of hate.

Not all of them mind you, but a very significant number of them.

Lee Atwater's deathbed confession admits as much.

Israel said...

G'nite my Sweet little Ohio Republicans! Maybe I'll spank you some more tomorrow...

;)

Cyndi said...

I'm glad! There is nothing comparable to a little one's hugs and kisses! You will be so much sweeter for it!

Nah, kind eyes don't equal cruel, cruel lips. It just doesn't go together.

Actually, I think both McCain and Obama have a lot of integrity. McCain's loyalty to his country has been proven too.

And I like both of their eyes.

PS - Having a woman candidate might make gazing into the eyes easier for you! That is, if you stop thinking of her as a pig. Piggys snouts get in the way of gazing too closely!

Unknown said...

Boy suspended for using broken pencil sharpener
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HILTON HEAD ISLAND -- A 10-year-old boy here has been suspended from school for having something most students carry in their supply boxes: a pencil sharpener.

The problem was his sharpener had broken, but he decided to use it anyway.

A teacher at Hilton Head Island International Baccalaureate Elementary School noticed the boy had what appeared to be a small razor blade during class on Tuesday, according to a Beaufort County sheriff's report.

It was obvious that the blade was the metal insert commonly found in a child's small, plastic pencil sharpener, the deputy noted.

The boy -- a fourth-grader described as a well-behaved and good student -- cried during the meeting with his mom, the deputy and the school's assistant principal.

He had no criminal intent in having the blade at school, the sheriff's report stated, but was suspended for at least two days and could face further disciplinary action.

District spokesman Randy Wall said school administrators are stuck in the precarious position between the district's zero tolerance policy against having weapons at school and common sense.

"We're always going to do something to make sure the child understands the seriousness of having something that could potentially harm another student, but we're going to be reasonable," he said.

-- The (Hilton Head) Island Packet
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Excellent. This young man has learned an important, valuable life lesson.

The point isn't that he had evil intention or action and must be punished. Zero tolerance for common sense drives home the message that it is ever SOOOO important that you never every EVER even accidentally have an item that could possibly be construed as "bad." "Bad items" are defined by the state. Don't question their wisdom. Or authority.

It's critical that he learn this at an impressionable young age so that when he is old, he will not depart from his state dependency for direction and security.

This in South Carolina, no less. May this world system burn in hell!

Israel said...

Another awesome government decision!!

You know since they do such a good job we should give the government MORE power and MORE responsibility so they can make MORE personal private decisions for us...

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I will concede that you guys have a valid point about me not going to church very often, but by the same token when I do go I remember what happens very clearly. And when I did go to Ohio the thing that really struck me was how much political endorsin' and Republican lapdoggin' was going on from the top down.

Trust me I wouldn't make something like that up and I didn't imagine it. I'm happy to hear that it isn't an every day occurrence and I'll chalk it up to temporary Republican insanity if it makes you guys feel better.

Israel said...

And lemme say that even though I found the partisanship distasteful, I did come a way with a very good impression of the Church the Pastor and the people there in Ohio.

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So to sum up: Aside from your adulation of Bush, you guys were great. I would go to church a lot more often if there was a church like that around here.

I would even go if the church was super Republican all the time, but I would consider withholding my tithes because while Churches are tax exempt institutions, churches that serve as political action committees are not. I would also probably end up giving people an earful about it -- but I would still go.

Unknown said...

My opinion so, for what it's worth...

I think the political party with which we identify matters a whole lot less to God than what we'd think (within reason...not talking about Nazis and, of course, baby killers :P ).

There are believers in our church that I think would vote for the devil before they'd vote for Bush. Granted, many of us tend to vote for Republican candidates, but I think this is as much region and culture as it is about morals (e.g. abortion, ethics, personal responsibility, etc.).

I've also met believers in New Zealand that had pretty low opinions of our Republican administration. Their government is socialist, and, in particular, some found our very liberal stance on firearms ownership quite amusing if not downright frightening.

*sarcasm*
This is incredibly tolerant of me, but I still believe they are Christians, *gasp* even though they don't necessarily espouse my convictions on the Constitution. More, the feeling might even be mutual.
*end sarcasm*

What I'm trying to say is, this absolutist view that you HAVE to be Republican or you CAN'T be Republican or you are a Christian hypocrite is completely off base.

We don't think that way. You seem to keep implying that we do, but we don't.

Did you know Bro. Branham didn't even tell people they had to forsake their Masonic membership to be believers?

The point is, region and culture play a lot into how we conduct our daily lives and even how we vote, and to espouse those as moral absolutes is a huge mistake.

Another example. Bro. Lonnie has run across Christians in Pakistan who had multiple wives prior to their conversion. They are all believers now, and, these wives wore pants (pajamas)! *shocker*

The "letter of the law" would say "one man one wife" and "you must wear western style dresses", after all, that's what Bro. Branham "said".

Baloney. These sisters are wearing feminine attire for their culture, and making the man choose which 3 of his 4 wives to divorce is an absolute mess. Further, divorce would break the image of God in that home. Does it jibe with our "western" way of thinking? Of course not, and that is exactly the point.

Unknown said...

That's not to say, as an American patriot, that I lack STRONG convictions on who should be in office.

Unknown said...

All I'm saying is, there is no vast right wing message conspiracy to promote the Republican party.

Whatever led you to believe BCF's alternate initials are PAC (political action committee), I don't know.

Individuals (including our pastor) have a right to individual political opinions, right or wrong...er...left. :P I've never felt pressured by anyone to vote Republican, and I should know since I'm there every week.

Unknown said...

Take for instance, our Governor, Ted Strickland. He is a decent governor from what I've seen and I might vote for him in 2010 if he runs again, depending on his opponent.

He opposes partial birth abortion and would consider a ban on abortion with certain exceptions (rape, incest, life of the mother, etc.). I don't agree with that 100% obviously, but I pragmatically recognize that's as good a goal as can be expected.

He also has a good record on the 2nd Amendment.

The fact that he has a (D) after his name is neither here nor there to most of us.

Israel said...

Well I'm definitely heartened by that. Sounds like some folks have come a little says since back when folks were basically declaring that God had sent Bush to lead us and a vote against Bush was a vote against God.

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This youtube video is for Cyndi so she can watch it and admire the kindness in Bush's eyes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLwRuK3M42c

Israel said...

Another subject for discussion:

McCain supports stem cell research.

Does that make him a murderer with kind eyes?

Anonymous said...

WOW 700. THAT'S CRAZY

Unknown said...

Sounds like some folks have come a little says since back when folks were basically declaring that God had sent Bush to lead us and a vote against Bush was a vote against God.

Remember, your last visit was during the 2000 election. The previous 8 years had seen a President impeached for purgery and embroiled in multiple sex scandals, an "assualt" weapons ban that only assaulted the 2nd Amendment, our military 10 years behind in progress, and an administration fully in the tank for abortion, and appalling justice system practices (Janet Reno anyone?).

Whatever you might say about Bush being a hypocrite, Clinton was 20x worse. Bush represented a return to Christian values, and that's why we respected and applauded his candidacy.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

"Bush represented a return to Christian values, and that's why we respected and applauded his candidacy."

And also why many conservatives became so disenfranchised by his presidency. His lack of support for Israel is disgusting.

Sharla said...

Surprise to you all, I am sure, but I totally agree with Paul Michael!




I just can't say it that well. :(

Sharla said...

And now another surprise, I totally agree with Mr. H! ;)

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

If you have a couple hours, I highly recommend the following video. It is a first-hand account of the tragedy of 9/11 filmed by two French filmmakers who just happened to be shooting a documentary about New York firefighters on that fateful day. It is raw. It is chilling. It should be required viewing for American students.

Be forewarned, it is not edited for television.

LINK

Never Forget.

Anonymous said...

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Israel said...

Bush represented a return to pretending to have Christian values.

So what does Mc(seed of) Cain, the guy who cheated on his wife and married his mistress represent? A return to new Republican Christian values? He represents a return to out and out hypocrisy is what he represents. At least Clinton didn't divorce his wife for Monica Lewdwinsky. (Maybe Democrats like Jimmy Carter and Clinton just value marriage more than divorce-loving Republicans like Reagan and Mc (seed of) Cain.

And aside from the fact that he was impeached for perjury by a bunch of Republicans (many of which were cheating on their wives during the impeachment trial.)

Clinton's 8 years were a resounding success economically (Biggest budget surplus ever) and militarily I don't recall thousands of Americans dying during his watch. We respected worldwide and we weren't the economic and diplomatic laughing stock we are now.

By the way, it was well known that Bush Sr. had a mistress on Capital Hill. (and she was a lot better looking than ol' Babs!) Why didn't the Republicans impeach him? Oh that's right, he's a Christian Republican...

Israel said...

I figure that since John refers to Obama as "The Messiah" I should call your candidate John Mc (seed of) Cain.

Democrats don't refer to their candidates as" Messiahs, Prophets or men sent by God to lead our country."

That's a Republican thing. Republicans are always speaking for God and endorsing their candidate on God's behalf.

Democrats are a little more humble, so we're not presumptuous enough to claim that God is a registered Republican.

Unknown said...

"Why didn't the Republicans impeach him?"

He didn't lie about it under oath.

As a lawyer, I'm sure you can
appreciate the need for truth while on the stand and why as a matter of principle, violating that oath should be severely punished. Our justice system isn't worth much if people can get away with such.

Unknown said...

Democrats are a little more humble, so we're not presumptuous enough to claim that God is a registered Republican.

Maybe you missed Nancy Pelosi's calling Barack "a leader that God has blessed us with at this time." Isn't Pelosi from SanFran CA?

Maybe you missed Barack's "this is the moment" speech?

Maybe you missed the Greek Temple set at the Democratic convention?

Sharla said...

Enough of this nonsense. What about my book??? Did you read my book??? I'm wait...ing.

Israel said...

Clinton didn't lie about it under oath either. That's why he was never prosecuted.

The Republican lawyers questions (and their own ludicrous definition of sexual relations*) allowed Clinton to answer their questions in such a way that no one can ever prove his answers false.

*The obtuse Republican lawyers explicitly defined sexual relations as (touching with an intent to gratify the other person.) Only Clinton can tell us what his intent was. If his intent was entirely selfish, then Clinton could honestly answer under oath that he did not have "sexual relations" with Monica.

Although we'll never know, I bet you that Clinton's intent was entirely selfish.

Sharla said...

Enough! Enough ! You're making my skin crawl. Yuck! The less said about Clinton the better.
Take a break, read my book!

Israel said...

But Clinton has such "kind eyes."

Sharla said...

I never thought there was anything kind in Clinton's eyes, maybe "kind" of creepy.... Slimy... Sleazy.

Unknown said...

Ya know Israel, you crack me up. Really do.

There have been a good half-dozen instances here where something get's said like Palin wanted to fire her bro-in-law out of spite or the Democrats don't draft God as their cheerleader etc., only for it to be obliterated in the face of inconvenient truths.

Then, the topic goes Siberian Stone Cold.

We COULD hear a "yea, I've been reading Alan Colmes blog a bit too much and I should have checked my sources before making wild absolute assertions", but NOOOooo. Not a word. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Israel said...

Stone cold topics:

Sometimes you throw stuff out there that is so ridiculously easy to respond to, that I get bored and let it go unsaid.

Regarding trooper. I don't care what the allegations against the trooper were (and those sound suspiciously exaggerated) it's still not Palin's job to try and get him fired.

If he did what you claim he did (and I'm sure there are two sides to the story) then it's the commission's job to conduct and "independent" investigation and the district attorney's job to put him in jail -- not the Governor's job to try to twist arms on behalf of her sister.

Any investigation that is subject to the Governor's political biases and whims would not be independent. It is highly inappropriate and an abuse of power to do what Palin did.

I'm sure you've heard of a concept called "separation of powers?" That's why we have Attorney Generals and Governors and Lieutenant Governors and Insurance Commissioners and Legislators and Judges. Governors can't just do whatever they want especially when it comes to overstepping their bounds regarding criminal cases in which they have a clear conflict of interest.

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Regarding "God" and Politics. No I already told you I didn't watch either convention. I do notice that the Democrats are starting to try to pander to religious folk because it has been so successful for the Republicans.

I don't have a problem with politicians pandering as much as I have a problem with the Churches marching lockstep with the politicians and giving them "God's" endorsement. (See James Dobson.)

As far as complaining about the Democrats invoking God, it's kind of like indicting a Democrat for jaywalking while ignoring the fact that a Republican (Jeffrey Dahmeresque) serial killer is feasting on all of his neighbor's remains. (That's about the difference in degree as far as the party's respective tendency to throw God's name around strictly for political gain.)

Israel said...

I read the First book Sharla and (despite my headache) I like it and I think it's a good idea. A lot depends on how well it is illustrated and the quality of the photographs.

Also keep in mind that most photographs (unless you take your own) would be protected by copyright and if you design a special bear you need to trademark it.

I like to see the bear's final design if you have it.

Unknown said...

@Israel

*giggles*
Yur funny.
Do it again.

Naw...

My view of you completely changed when I found out your true sympaties lie with the Libertarians. It's just a shame that rather than throw away a vote, you've thrown your lot in with the godless pinko hypocrite commies from hell.

(pause)

I really liked writing that last line. It was cathartic.

Anyway, thanks for sharing...I enjoy it.

Israel said...

Why should your view of me change? I still think the Republicans are scum.

I'd rather vote Green, I'd rather vote for the Alaska Independence party or the Puerto Rican Separatists or the Peace and Freedom Party or the Wiccans or the...

Sharla said...

Thanks for reading at least the first book. I have checked into some of the photographs online and they are sorta expensive, John's into photography and he has some good ones of D C and Williamsburg and Mount Vernon. The pics are sorta holding me up at this point. We'll see.

On a different topic, can you do the legal work to set up an Llc for a company for Cyndi, Jariah, Zion and myself for free so we can get rich soon? Just wondering.

Sharla said...

Cyndi says she'll get off her Palin soapbox if you will!

Israel said...

No.

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Lookie here, it says that Republicans mentioned "God"
43 times at the Republican National convention.

I think they should change the name of the party from the Re-Publicans to the Re-Pharisees.

God was mentioned more often than anything else. They mentioned taxes 42 times and terrorism eight times.

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Surprisingly enough, God did not mention the Republicans once.

Israel said...

On a different topic, can you do the legal work to set up an Llc for a company for Cyndi, Jariah, Zion and myself for free so we can get rich soon?

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Not my area of expertise.

Zion or Jariah could probably do it online for you though.

And for future reference, from now on any requests that I work for free will be be answered with the wonderful phrase, "Not my area of expertise."

Unknown said...

Israel's right (yes, that hurt. Thanks for asking)

legalzoom.com

It's not free but it's supposed to be realatively inexpensive and easy.

Sharla said...

Yeah, I already did one for the store with that, it is NOT cheap. They advertise it to be like 100.00 but in the end it is closer to $700.00. If a person could find a lawyer worth his salt, which is hard to do these days, (especially around here it seems,) < clears throat > they would probably not be much more than legalzoom, if any.

Sharla said...

It just occurred to me that any of us could probably go into the archives and find the exact message that Israel had to endure when he was here. That would have been the middle of October, 2000 on a Sunday service. We can see for ourselves what a political activist Bro. Jeff was compared to someone like, let's say, the REVEREND WRIGHT!!

Elisabeth (Bauer) Holsapple said...

Sharla - Here's just a thought... Have you checked w/ Charity J. about photos? She is an AMAZING photographer, and has a ton of totally awesome pictures. I'm sure she could help you...

I don't know how many ppl know how good she really is - she'd love to go professional one day. 8>)

Jeshanah said...

Mom, the exact date that Israel was at service was Oct. 22nd, 2000. Unfortunately, the archives online don't start until 2003.... I already checked. =( You might be able to find it at the church library though.

For future reference, when begging for something from Israel, please do not include mine or Zion's names. Thanks.

Sharla said...

Lol I was hardly begging. He's offered to do some stuff for me in the past, which was extremely generous of him, but most of that stuff (franchising) we never did. It doesn't hurt to ask. He is obviously not too shy to say "no"!I don't know what legal stuff he does all the time, and if Cyndi and I have to pay someone $600, it might as well be him if he wanted to do it. If he doesn't mess with that stuff, that's fine. No big deal. Sorry I added Zion's name.
Note to Israel- All that begging was from me, and in no way should be misconstrued to think Zion was any party to it

Cyndi said...

This youtube video is for Cyndi so she can watch it and admire the kindness in Bush's eyes...

Thanks for sharing, Israel!

Actually, "W" looks like he is enjoying himself - I see a twinkle in his eyes...

And for the record - Clinton does not have good eyes - charming like a snake is the feeling I get.

Cyndi said...

BTW, Dr. Dobson's Focus on the Family is not a church - it is a non-profit organization.

Just making sure that we have legal clarification...

Israel said...

Don't worry about begging.

You are about the 20th person who has asked me to set up an LLC or an S Corp or a nonprofit or whatever (including family members) and I always refer them to my friend Jerome who does this stuff all the time.

We lawyers specialize you know and it would be like asking a plumber to fix your roof. I would probably end up going to one of those websites anyway.

I do civil rights, breach of contract, wrongful termination, age , race, sex discrimination. (Employment law stuff) I have just received some training in Copyright and Trademark but I am not an expert (yet.)

Israel said...

I'd rather help you with any issues relating to the Children's books.

The artist I mentioned? She also does photo shop. Her auntie owns a print shop.

Anonymous said...

If you need a good lawyer, compensate them well. There is a reason people pay them what they do. It's because they are worth it. Maybe I was the same way in the past, but now I realize that always trying to beg for free work doesn't bring out the best lawyers, or employees, or anything else for that matter. That's because they are doing it as a favor, and you should be greatful they even are in your presence, but if you pay them, the tables are turned and they now work for you.

If your going to start up a LLC or whatever, make sure you have enough money to do it.

I'd be willing to pay a couple hundred bucks just to know what TYPE of corporation best fits my need. It will save me thousands in the future if I am setup properly.

Anonymous said...

Is this the comment page the new blog?

Anonymous said...

Israel, what's your friends hourly wage?

Sharla said...

Thanks, Israel, I really appreciate any help. Did you read the other ones yet?
Daniel, aka Snoopy has started helping me with it, he is pretty good with photo shop too, but I don't think his aunt has a print shop or anything.
And I was starting with a retired Russ bear, but then I thought I should probably have my seamstress tear it apart for the pattern, change it a little and use all new fabric so I avoided using someone else's. Is that right, do you think?

Sharla said...

Israel,
Is this the same artist who did the drawing of Christine as the Princess Warrior or whatever? Whoever drew that is an incredible arist.

Israel said...

No this is a different artist.

Here's some rough concept art she's doing for me on the Pacifist pit bull story. She's really good at cute animals...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/A-10/dogfight311.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/A-10/dogfight319.jpg

You would want to change it enough the bear so that it isn't recognizable as the Russ bear any more.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Just stumbled across this:

We are busted in this nation, just about. We're borrowing on
tax that'll be paid in forty years from now, they tell me, so they
said on "Lifeline." Taxes, we're spending now, will be paid forty
years from now. My little grandson, if Jesus tarries, the taxes that
he'll pay when he is forty years old, we're spending on it now,
sending to foreign aid, and our own Indians and things starving to
death; trying to buy fellowship. You don't buy fellowship. You don't
buy a friend. No, but that's what we're doing. That's the way we're
set up, taxing people to everything they can get onto, tax, tax, tax.
And we'll not be out of war debt for--for hundreds of years yet, I
suppose, that we been throwed into by politicians. And now we
shouldn't be that way. There's no reason for us to be that way.

--William Branham, 1965

Sharla said...

The sketches look great. Did you say YOU wrote the Pacifist Pit Bull story?? I thought you had said someone else had. I must have got something confused.

Sharla said...

Israel, check your e mail when you get a chance.

John S. Hullinger - A.D. said...

Speaking of stupid people from Ohio, er, California....

Dateline: San Francisco -- A car-burglary suspect fell to his death early Thursday after he climbed over a wall on San Francisco's Telegraph Hill while trying to flee from police, apparently unaware that on the other side of the wall was a 200-foot cliff, authorities said.

The incident began at 12:30 a.m. when police received reports of someone breaking into a car on Alta Street near Montgomery Street, east of Coit Tower.

Plainclothes officers set up surveillance in the area and spotted Cockrum getting out of an Audi, said police spokesman Sgt. Neville Gittens. Police tried to stop him, but he took off running. At one point, he stumbled and a screwdriver fell out of his pocket, police said.

Cockrum jumped over a 3-foot wall at the end of Alta Street and plunged the equivalent of 20 stories. He was pronounced dead at the scene, west of Sansome Street.

Sharla said...

Yikes!

Israel said...

Here's my other artist buddy you were asking about. He is amazing too.

I could probably arrange something with him if you ever wanted an illustrated childrens book:
http://www.natebaertsch.blogspot.com/

I rather enjoy taking pictures of toys myself especially in front of beautiful natural vistas. I also a good photographer and if you send the bear, I'm sure the Golden Gate Bridge and the Sequoias would be no problem to photograph.

I have some friends that make toys and I will occasionally write a toy review for some of their product. I take the pictures myself and post them on the net at toy sites.

[url]http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=65&show_article=687&nl=1[/url]

Another place to find starving artists and photographers that would probably sell you images and the right to use themn for cheap would be www.deviantart.com.

I took these:


http://2008reviews.figures.com/showphoto.php?photo=12210


http://2008reviews.figures.com/showphoto.php?photo=12209

Ideally you would want to trademark the bear so that you could make money off of merchandising if the books are successful. Look at how much money the lady that invented Baby Einstein and sold it to Disney made. Simple idea + well executed = big $$.

Israel said...

If you already did an LLC for the store why don't you just call a meeting of the directors, (You, you and you) amend the articles incorporation (to include whatever business venture) and use that same LLC to protect all the other folks and projects you want to protect.

Easy as pie. No need to do a whole other LLC.

Sharla said...

okay, thanks, we just had the meeting!

Israel said...

My friend (The Hollywood Screenwriter) wrote a treatment for the pacifist pitbull story.

I am co-writing a couple of projects with her (adapting one of her screenplays) as well as / representing her / helping her get one of her award winning screenplays made into a graphic novels.

She read some of my stories and she has been bugging me for a long time to write movies and tv shows and stuff. She says my talents are wasted as a lawyer. I'd rather collaborate with her than do my own stuff because she's a full time writer and writing is just a part-time hobby for me.

Sharla said...

I thought you said you weren't an expert!

Sharla said...

Wow! That guy is Good!! His stuff is kinda scary but the art is amazing.

Israel said...

The good thing about taking pictures of toys is they never get tired of posing and run off.

Taking pictures of my kids is a total pain.

---

Oh yeah, and you should try to get Palin to ban your books. The publicity will cause sales to skyrocket.

Sharla said...

Did you take all the pics there? Why don't I see your name for credits or something?

Israel said...

If you are talking about the figures.com photos, I am credited for the photos in the main review. I took all the photos except for the first one in the archive.

Sharla said...

well, I looked, but I can't find your name anywhere, guess I'll just have to trust ya.

Sharla said...

Israel, What do you think about what I emailed you about?

Israel said...

Look here on second page of the review...




http://www.figures.com/databases/action.cgi?setup_file=fignews2.setup&category=actionfigures&topic=65&show_article=687&nl=1

Sharla said...

I went there twice now and I still can't find your name, but that's allright, I know it is there. I actually DO trust you. And that site is so creepy and evil feeling, I don't wanna hang out there. You call that toys?? YUCK!

Unknown said...

The pitbull needs lipstick.

Sharla said...

lol Paul-Michael. Then he could change the story to one about Hockey Moms..

Israel said...

Hey creepy, evil people like toys too...

Did you see my illegal alien toys?

http://whatshappeningthere.blogspot.com/

Sharla said...

I just looked at that site a couple days ago, Weird!

Sharla said...

BTW, I did see your name on that site finally.

Cyndi said...

Sharla,

Check your e-mail, when you get time.

Israel said...

Heres some more photos I took:

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse609.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse474.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse486.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse487.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse577.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse580.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/545.jpg

Israel said...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/536.jpg

Israel said...

I guess I don't know how to post photobucket photos here sorry

Israel said...

[IMG]http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/montaralighthouse609.jpg[/IMG]




http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/?action=view&current=montaralighthouse609.jpg

Israel said...

That last one seemed to work:





http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/?action=view&current=montaralighthouse474.jpg

Israel said...

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/?action=view&current=montaralighthouse486.jpg

Israel said...

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/?action=view&current=montaralighthouse487.jpg

Israel said...

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w311/azlawcat/?action=view&current=545.jpg


Can you guys see those if you cut and paste?

Sharla said...

The toys are hideous, but the pics are great! When I get my bear done, I'll send him out. It might be after Christmas, though. Things are getting pretty busy around here.

Sharla said...

Israel, Check your email.

Israel said...

You think the toys are hideous because you're a female.

Most Males think that those toys are cool and that Barbies and Cabbage Patch Kids are hideous...

Israel said...

I didn't write this but it is Food for thought-

"White Privilege" and the 2008 Election

For those who question the concept of white privilege and it�s impact on the coming election, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because �every family has challenges,� even as black and Latino families with similar �challenges� are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social and moral decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a ****in� redneck, (like Bristol Palins boyfriend does) talk about how you want no kids, that if anyone messes with you, you�ll kick their ****in� ass, and how you like to shoot **** for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy and a great son-in-law to be rather than a scary ass thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin (one of which you basically flunked out of, then returned after making up some course work at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan makes you ready to potentially be president and people don�t all piss on themselves with laughter. On the other hand being black and a U.S. Senator, a two-term state Senator - with dozens of pieces of legislation to your credit at both levels, having your proposed solutions for Iraq and Afghanistan begrudgingly become the official administration policies and strategies, commanding international recognition and the ability to attract larger European crowds than the sitting President, and being an acknowledged constitutional law scholar means you�re untested, inexperienced and not ready to lead.

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words �under God� in the pledge of allegiance because. �if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it�s good enough for me�. and not be immediately subjected to media scrutiny and questions of competency since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the �under God� part wasn�t added until the 1950s.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union (ala the Civil War model) and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you�re black and your spouse merely mentions on one occasion her pride in the nations acceptance of her husbands candidacy, she is immediately cast as a radical who has not always loved America.
White privilege is being able to ridicule community organizers and the work they do�like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday or job re-training after a plant closing or an end to child labor�and people think you�re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the �experience� of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and her claim to be able to see Russia from her state means you are mean spirited or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don�t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women that you represent the �Change� and redemption they need.
White privilege is being able to support banning books from the public library (not even claiming pornography as an excuse), fire people who didn�t support your political campaigns or - divorced your sister, and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say things like people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to Hell; claiming the U.S. is an explicitly �Christian nation� and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God�s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, yet everyone still thinks you are just a good church-going Christian, but being black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, means you are an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a �trick question,� while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O�Reilly means you�re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president who has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, your party has controlled Congress 7 of the past 8 years going from a budget surplus to the largest deficit in the nations history even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising and the national and international economies are tanking while you insist the economic �fundamentals�
remain strong but white voters remain unsure about that whole Obama �change� thing.
�Change�- you know - universal access to health care, larger tax breaks to people earning less that $250,000 per year (which is 97% of the nations population) than any time in the last 40 years, a focus on innovation and alternative energies and a renewed respect with world leaders - is just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete, certain and . �the kind of change you can believe in�.

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